Felly Plaid Cymru a'r Blaid Lafur fydd yn rheoli yng Ngwynedd am y pum mlynedd nesaf - yn ol pob tebyg beth bynnag. Mae'r newyddion yn arbennig o arwyddocaol yng nghyd destun Gwynedd oherwydd bod y sir yn symud o gyfundrefn bwrdd i gyfundrefn cabinet. Prif effaith ymarferol hyn ydi canoli grym yn nwylo'r pleidiau sy'n rheoli. Yn y gorffennol roedd pob grwp (os oeddynt yn dewis anfon cynrychiolwyr i eistedd ar y bwrdd) yn rheoli ar y cyd. Yn yr ystyr yna, clymblaid eang sydd wedi rheoli Gwynedd ers 1999.
Efallai y bydd yn syndod i aelodau o'r Blaid o rannau eraill o Gymru - Caerfyrddin er enghraifft - bod y glymblaid yma wedi dod i fodolaeth, ond 'does yna ddim rhyw ddrwg deimlad mawr rhwng y ddwy blaid yng Ngwynedd, a 'does yna fawr o wrth Gymreicrwydd yn perthyn i'r Blaid Lafur yma.
Bydd Llafur yn cael cynnig 1 o'r 10 swydd yn y Cabinet a chadair un pwyllgor. Bydd Plaid Cymru yn dal y 9 swydd Cabinet arall. Bydd yna felly 41 o aelodau o'r grwpiau sy'n llywodraethu tra bod yna 33 o gynghorwyr yn perthyn i'r gwrthbleidiau. Mae un sedd i'w llenwi fis nesaf.
Felly mewn gwirionedd dyma'r mwyaf o rym mae'r Blaid erioed wedi ei gael ar Gyngor Gwynedd - ac mae'n gyfle i gyflawni amcanion ei maniffesto mewn ffordd mwy trylwyr nag oedd yn bosibl o dan yr hen drefn.
Felly pob lwc i arweinydd y Cyngor, Dyfed Edwards, y cabinet newydd a'r glymblaid tros y pum mlynedd nesaf. Bydd rheoli o dan yr amodau sy'n bodoli ar hyn o bryd yn heriol - ond mae'r gallu a'r ymroddiad i sicrhau chware teg i holl gymunedau Gwynedd ar gael o fewn y glymblaid. Bydd y drefn cabinet newydd yn gwneud joban anodd yn llawer haws nag y byddai wedi bod oddi tan yr hen drefn.
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Beth yw'r rheswm hanesyddol am y ffordd anarferol y llywodraethid Gwynedd hyd at yr etholiad yma?
Gyda llaw, am ychydig funudau o adloniant mae'n werth bwrw golwg ar dudalen Facebook (bron uniaith Saesneg) Llais Gwynedd.
Gallwn oll gytuno fod rhai o aelodau etholedig Llais Gwynedd yn adweithiol ac mae llawer o'r rhethreg (a iaith) ar eu tudalen Facebook yn anffodus.
Ond dwi wir yn credu fod angen i Blaid Cymru wneud mwy nag wfftio Llais Gwynedd. Mae'n drahaus i anwybyddu'r realiti fod canoedd drwy'r sir wedi pleidleisio i Lais Gwynedd. Hyd yn oed os ydy Plaid Cymru yn anwybyddu'r aelodau etholedig rhaid gwrando ar lais rheiny a bleidleisiodd dros Blaid Cymru gan fod llawer, os nad y rhanfwyaf, yn gyn bleidleiswyr Plaid Cymru.
Mae agwedd drahus y blaid tuag at Llais Gwynedd a'r rhai a bleidleisiodd drostyn nhw jest yn neud y sefyllfa yn waeth.
* "...rheiny a bleidleisiodd dros Lais Gwynedd" (nid plaid Cymru)
Dewis Cyngor Gwynedd ar y cychwyn oedd rhannu grym efo pawb. Plaid Cymru oedd efo'r mwyafrif bryd hynny.
Nid dewis Cyngor Gwynedd oedd y drefn newydd, dewis y Cynulliad oedd o. Nid traha ydi ffurfio clymblaid - rhan o'r broses ddemocrataidd - dyna'r oll. Yn wir gallai LlG fod wedi trafod - os oeddyn nhw am wneud hynny.
Mae yna lawer o wirionedd yn hynny Rhys. Mae'n bwysig bod gan bleidleiswyr fodd o fynegi eu hanniddigrwydd gyda Phlaid Cymru os mai dyna'u dymuniad, wrth bob rheswm. Dagrau pethau yw bod cael grwp gwrthwynebol adeiladol yn bwysig er mwyn craffu ar a herio'r sawl sy'n llywodraethu. Ond nid grwp felly mo Llais Gwynedd. Tea Party anymarferol, hysteraidd ac apocalyptaidd ydyn nhw ar y cyfan, ac mae hynny'n drist.
Doeddwn i ddim yn siarad am y penderfyniad heddiw, agwedd y Blaid yn gyffredinol oedd mewn golwg gen i.
Mae Dyfrig wedi fy ateb ar Twitter drwy nodi mae'r strategaeth i ad-ennill cefnogaeth polb yw drwy "lywodraethu yn effeithiol". Gallai hynny weithio, ond cawn weld sut fydd y Blaid yn mesur eu effeithlonrwydd.
Yn amlwg Rhys mae gennyt lawer i ddysgu am Llais Gwynedd. Mae ychydig o fobl a bleidleisodd i'r Blaid yn y gorffennol wedi cefnogi y grwp yma, ond y realiti yw mai pleidlais gan pawb sydd yn gwrthwynebu Plaid Cymru a Chenedlaetholdeb Cymreig yw eu pleidlais. Mae'n hen bryd i'r ychydig o Bleidwyr sydd wedi eu cefnogi sylweddoli hyn. Mae angen edrych ar record cyflawni aelodau Ll.G. (wnaiff hyn ddim cymeryd llawer o amser)Os yw Plaid Wleidyddol (neu hyd yn oed mudiad gwleidyddol)am fod o ddifrif, ynglyn a'i gwaith mae angen cymeryd cyfrifoldeb. Nid cicio, stranico a pwdu yw'r ateb, ac yn bendant nid yw'r ateb yn gorwedd mewn gwneud ffrindiau gyda rhai o unigolion mwyaf Prydeinig a gwrth Gymreig ein Sir.
Er tegwch, Un o Eryri, mae'r darlun yna'n anghyflawn. Mae'n amhosibl gwadu mai cenedlaetholwyr a chyn-gefnogwyr PC yw llawer iawn, onid mwyafrif, o bleidleiswyr Llais Gwynedd yn Nwyfor. Dyma'r bobl gafodd eu siomi gan ymateb llipa arweinyddiaeth y blaid adeg helynt Seimon Glyn yn 2001, ac wrth gwrs mater mwy diweddar ail-drefnu ysgolion y sir.
Wrth reswm rwyt hefyd yn gywir eu bod hefyd yn denu gwrth-genedlaetholwyr a phobl od yn gyffredinol. Felly grwp ymbarél unrhyw-un-ond-Plaid-Cymru ydynt mewn gwirionedd. Gelyn fy ngelyn yw fy ffrind ac ati. Nid yw hynny'n sefyllfa sy'n arwain at fframwaith syniadaethol gydlynus na dealladwy.
P'run ydi o 'dwch?
Vote Plaid get Labour 'ta Vote Labour get Plaid?
Shift trefol, sosialaidd a phlesio etholwyr glannau'r Fennai fydd hi?
Beth fydd enw'r glymblaid cabinet newydd 'Llais Arfon'?
Ahem - mae ychydig tros hanner cynghorwyr y glymblaid o Arfon tra bod y gweddill o Feirion Dwyfor.
A chyda dim ond un aelod Llais Gwynedd ym Meirionnydd bellach.
"Ahem - mae ychydig tros hanner"
Ahem - mwyafrif!
Ahem - mae bron i hanner poblogaeth Gwynedd yn byw yn Arfon (48%), felly nid yw'n rhyfedd bod canran debyg o gynghorwyr y glymblaid yn dod o Arfon.
Iwan Rhys
"Ahem - mae ychydig tros hanner"
Ahem - mwyafrif!
7:45 AM
Dealltwriaeth rhyfedd iawn o'r ffordd mae pethau'n gweithio.
Grwp llywodraethol yn pleidleisio o drwch blewyn i leoli cywaith A yng Nghaernarfon am resymau daearyddol. Wedyn yn y Cyngor yr holl grwp yn pleidleisio tros y lleoliad. Wedyn yr un peth yn digwydd efo cywaith B, C ac ati.
Syniad rhyfedd iawn, iawn.
Dwi newydd ddarllen Llais Gwynedd ar Facebook fel yr awgrymodd Dylan. Blydi hel!! Ydi rhain ar Gyngor Gwynedd? Nutters llwyr! Petai etholwyr Gwynedd wedi darllen Facebook cyn pleidleisio dwi'n amau'n fawr a fyddai gan LlG un cynghorydd ar y cyngor.
Ar gyfer y rhai ohonom heb fynediad i FACEBOOK , rho awgrym o'r cynnyws , ogdd !
ie oes modd cael syniad o'r hyn sydd ar facebook yn lle siarad mewn damhegion plis
Yn ol yr Herald, mae cynghorydd wnaeth sefyll fel ymgeisydd annibynnol bythefnos yn ol bellach wedi ymuno a Llais Gwynedd - i gamddyfynnu John Lydon, pobl Nefyn, ever had the feeling you've been had?
I'r rhai sy'n holi am gynnwys y dudalen facebook:
Charles Slaney
Is it me or is Dol South 30% Dol North 27% Barmouth 22% for Plaid a mandate? I thought a majority was a mandate you know, like more than 50% of the voting population not 54% of 38% or whatever. If people don't wake up and turn out to vote you end up with a party in power that don't actually have a mandate but have the power. A similar thing happened in Germany in the 30's I think, I think they were Nationalist Socialists too. Can't remember what came of that but I'm sure it wasn't good.
While I'm here does a certain MP remind anyone of Don Fannucci, "The Black Hand" from Godfather II???
Mai 8 am 11:30yb
Ed Penney
Those guys were Nazis but this lot are completely different. I know because they told me they had never heard of European history and besides that sort of thing could never happen here, could it?
Mai 8 am 11:39yb.
Louise Hughes
Erm .... just to add to the debate. One of my next door neighbours told me yesterday 'if you live in Wales you should be MADE to vote Plaid Cymru' to which I replied 'ah, yes ~ the Heinrich Himmler school of thought' (it want straight over the top of his head of course). He also added 'Plaid Cymru is the ONLY party in Wales that really cares about Wales' (there really was no polite answer to that!). He finished off by saying 'I've voted Plaid Cymru for 50 years' and I said 'your loyalty is commendable'. Well, I have to live next to them don't I and apart from their questionable political views they are fairly affable old boys.
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Andrew Roberts-Evans
Ladies and gentlemen. As May 3rd draws nearer, it is time to reflect on the last twenty years of the Plaid Cymru led Gwynedd Council.
It is time to understand that everything that I have read on Facebook pages of friends today regarding over charging for car parking, over charging for rates, under provision of services and the demise of local schools and care homes is the work of the Plaid Cymru led Gwynedd Council.
It is also important to understand that the next term, a five year term, will be managed TOTALLY by the leading party that will be elected. If one party takes the strangle hold (38 seats) after May 3rd, then it's good bye democracy, hello dictatorship. And I am not being hysterical by the way - it is true. It is very important to get out there to the polling stations and vote.
If anyone wants to speak with one of our 29 candidates standing for Llais Gwynedd, please let us know.
We are happy to be supporting non Llais Gwynedd candidates too, like Trevor Roberts who is standing for Labour in Barmouth and John Raghoobar and Delwyn Evans, both independent in Dolgellau.
That is what makes Llais Gwynedd the listening then speaking party.
Ebrill 22 am 9:14yh
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Louise Hughes
I see that Plaid are busy with their attempts to discredit Llais Gwynedd in the Cambrian News again. Perhaps someone should sit them all down and explain the concept of democracy to them!
Chwefror 9 am 3:05yh
Ed Penney
You would have to teach them English first! They only understand this word with the prefix 'anti' in front of it.
Chwefror 9 am 8:21yh
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Martin John
There we go nothing will happen again now for the next four years!! GREAT!!!! PLAID CYMRU what a waste of F*C?ING Space!! JOKE
Mai 6, 2011 am 10:28yb
Kay Richards
I completely agree! Don't understand why ppl vote for Plaid at all!
Mai 6, 2011 am 12:58yh
Beth Lawton
They will just kill off every rural community....for us that live in merioneth.....god knows what we will have left ...plaid . . .no thanks. . .
Mai 6, 2011 am 3:31yh
Martin John
The problem is with plaid they are so far up their own arse and they think that wales is in cardiff!! Louise would of done it for the people and not for the money as the rest of the idiots do!!! Spending money on dinning out!! GREAT
Mai 6, 2011 am 3:46yh
Arglwydd Mawr
Pobl ryfedd iawn, iawn , sy'n gweld a derbyn Now Gwynys fel arweinydd doeth ac sy'n gweld Plaid Cymru llipa Ieuan Wyn fel eithafwyr di-gyfaddawd. Yn y gwter mae ennill etholiadau, felly dylid defnddio rhai o'r datganiadau hurt yma yn yr etholiad nesaf yn erbyn cynrychiolwyr Llais Gwynedd
Gweithio ar ran y 'Black Hand ' oedd Fanucci, ac nid enw cymeriad ydoedd , gyda'r llaw.
Mae yna debygrwydd cryf !
Eithafwyr gwrth-Gymreig - sut all Seimon Glyn ac Alwyn Gruffydd rannu stafell heb son am grwp gwleidyddol efo'r fath bobl? Rhag eu cywilydd.
Blydi hel - mi fotis i i Llais Gwynedd. Byth eto.
Oes angen dweud mwy ! Grwp o ffasgwyr gwrth Gymreig ydan nhw, rhagrith ydy i AG a SG fod yn cyfweithio a nhw.
Ew mae'n edrych fel bod pobl am ddeffro o'r diwedd
Anhebyg iawn y bydd pleidleiswyr yn "deffro" i antics Llais Gwynedd. Onid oedd Aeron Maldwyn, cynghorydd Llanwnda, yn awgrymu - ar Faes-e ychydig cyn etholiad 2008 - y byddai Plaid Cymru yn trefnu "colli" blychau pleidleisio er mwyn ennill seddi? Bod ymddygiad Plaid Cymru yn debyg i ymddygiad Mugabe? Onid oedd ymgeiswyr Llais Gwynedd yn rhaffu celwyddau am gynllun ad-drefnu ysgolion y sir (ymgeisydd Penygroes yn dadlau, yn 2008, y byddai'r Cyngor yn cau ysgol uwchradd Dyffryn Nantlle)? I ddweud y gwir, mae nhw wrthi eto, gydag ymgeiswyr (a, nawr, cynghorwyr) yn Dwyfor yn honni fod cynllun yn ei le i gau ysgolion megis Tudweiliog cyn yr etholiad nesaf. Ddysgodd neb bryd hynny, a dwi'n gweld dim rheswm iddyn nhw ddysgu nawr.
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